Larry Hammer (
larryhammer) wrote2014-02-23 08:53 am
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
"yes the king of the beavers / you cannot deceive us / and you can't fool owls"
So there's this the odd linguistic feature of English pronouns in compound subjects where they switch between nominative and objective forms depending on the order. That is, "Me and Julio were down by the schoolyard" sounds entirely correct even though technically it should be "I and Julio" -- which actually sounds so stiff it feels actively wrong -- but in the reverse form, it's "Julio and I were down by the schoolyard" that sounds correct ("Julio and me" sounds acceptable as a colloquialism but to be avoided when speaking in formal registers).
Does anyone know the name for this?
---L.
Subject quote from "Owls," Weebl.
Does anyone know the name for this?
---L.
Subject quote from "Owls," Weebl.
no subject
We don't say "I eat" but we can say "I ate, I have eaten" etc
no subject
---L.
no subject
no subject
---L.
no subject
no subject
---L.
no subject
no subject
Whether anyone ever actually told me this I'm not sure, but I have it in my brain that to say "I and Julio" rather an "Julio and I" is objectionable because it seems egotistical to put oneself first on the list.
no subject
---L.
no subject
no subject
no subject
One wonders which came first -- the feeling that "I and Julio" isn't quite right or the rule that it was impolite.
---L.
no subject
no subject
---L.
no subject
no subject
no subject
---L.
no subject
But then, I am not a native English speaker, my teacher hasn't been a native English speaker, and school - that was when? Way back in the Middle Ages? :)
So... Which one is correct? Julio and I, or Julio and me? I have to admit that I am more than confused now :)
no subject
Most of the above debate is over whether this most formal rule is changing in common usage under certain circumstances. The consensus seems to be that I see it having changed more than most people here, and I'm starting to wonder if this is a regional usage.
---L.